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From: Greg Mitchell (grmitche@cisco.com)
Date: Tue 09 Jul 2002 - 16:48:46 BST
Maybe Chris Hanke can chime in here - since he moved from 14's to 5o5's a
couple years back.
I believe he spent about the same amount for a 5o5 that any of us would
spend for a 14.
So - it may/may not be cost
I think it has more to do with the depth of the competition in the west
coast 5o5 fleet
btw - for the record, I do no advocate any change to the basic parameters of
the class. I'm interested in the aussie wing test rule, but concerned that
it may be difficult to administer. The sail restriction rule seems fine.
I'm building some foils in my garage, once I get around to it.
Greg
US1139
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark and Jane Elsworth [mailto:mark_jane_elsworth@bigpond.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:39 AM
To: Joel Truher; International 14 Mailing List
Subject: RE: [I14] US Nationals results
<p>Joel, you asked :
"I noticed earlier this year that the local 5o5 fleet has
grown significantly, reversing the overall trend. Does
anyone have any insight into reasons?"
The answers, I would have thought, are obvious :
1. The 505 class has limited it's rules, so new participants are not facing
a moving target in terms of it's rules every year.
2. They 505's have limited their construction/building techniques and
materials, so new participants are not facing boat obsolescence every year
or so.
3. Due to both of the above, their class has a calculable "upper limit" on
expense, such that new participants are not scared off by a bottomless pit
of expense.
If the 505 case is not ringing alarm bells with you guys over there, we're
all in deep trouble, 'cause we're all in the same boat...
Helmy
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Truher [mailto:joel@truher.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 4:15 PM
To: International 14 Mailing List
Cc: Phil Chadwick; Lisa Twardowski; nige oswald
Subject: Re: [I14] US Nationals results
<p>Phil,
I feel compelled to chime in with Lisa here. Mostly, I
like the 14 fleet because the boats are fun, and the guys
are supportive of newbies. So I don't think many of the
guys who are already "hooked" are going to hang it up
because they can't win. I think what *is* happening, in
the 14 fleet and in sailing generally in the US, is a
decline in participation across the board. So we get fewer
newbies. That's worth worrying about, I think, but I
guess I've long thought that outreach and assistance are
the ways to help, and that gear depreciation (i.e. get a
great boat for cheap) doesn't hurt per se.
I noticed earlier this year that the local 5o5 fleet has
grown significantly, reversing the overall trend. Does
anyone have any insight into reasons?
<p>Joel
<p>---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:17:08 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Lisa Twardowski <i14girlcrew@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [I14] US Nationals results
>To: Phil Chadwick <nationalsales@bigpond.com.au>,
International 14 Mailing List <14list@i14.org>, nige oswald
<nige@iointegration.com>
>
>Phil,
> I believe that some boats didn't show up this year
>due to family obligations. For various reasons, the
>number of racers has been declining in recent years
>(and it's not due to the recent controversy of foils
>and other proposals). When tallied up, it looks like
>age, new family obligations, and moving too far away
>to compete are the main reasons that there are less
>boats here. In the short time I raced (since 1996),
>the maximum boats I've ever seen on a starting line
>for Nationals was 22.
> Most people starting out on a 14 are not going to be
>competitive anyway. We went racing because it was fun
>and the fleet is very helpful to all racers, even
>those uncompetitive ones. I look forward to seeing
>them at every regatta since my husband still races and
>I miss racing, even when we weren't competitive.
>
>Lisa (former crew due to family reasons)
>
>--- Phil Chadwick <nationalsales@bigpond.com.au>
>wrote:
>> Reading between the lines it sounds like the first
>> three boats where quite a
>> way ahead of the rest of the fleet. Is that correct?
>> Do you think any of
>> your members will be put off taking time off work
>> and families to attend the
>> Nationals next year because they feel they will not
>> be competitive? Why is
>> it in a Country of over 250 million people you are
>> only attracting 12 boats
>> to a Nationals?
>>
>> Please do not regard these questions as a
>> backhander. We all need to learn
>> from each other and make progress with our numbers.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pencil
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "nige oswald" <nige@iointegration.com>
>> To: <maillist@i14.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:36 AM
>> Subject: FW: [I14] US Nationals results
>>
>>
>>
>> yep, only twelve boats, racing was pretty close
>> between zach and chris with
>> steve goodson pretty close behind and very
>> consistently third (first three
>> boats had foils). Wind was generally between about
>> 8-12kts with the sea
>> breaze only starting to kick in after the last
>> race.....
>>
>> short and sweet
>>
>> nige
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Hanke [mailto:cchanke@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:31 PM
>> To: 14list
>> Subject: Re: [I14] US Nationals results
>>
>>
>> Any additional commentary on the US Nationals? Were
>> the
>> conditions moderate? Zach certainly didn't have a
>> slouch crew (Mike Martin, 5o5 World Champ crew, 2nd
>> World skipper in 2000).
>>
>> Were the results accurate in terms of how many
>> competitors (12)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>> --- Andy Loukes <andy@loukes.com> wrote:
>> > http://www.i14.org/news/usnats2002.html
>> >
>> > 1st Kris Bundy Jamie Hanseller US1127 7pts
>> > (Bieker 2, Bieker mast, Alexander Sails)
>> >
>> > 2nd Zach Berkowitz Mike Martin US1137 14pts
>> > (Bieker 2z, Bieker mast, Alexander main, Ullman
>> jib,
>> > Irwin kite)
>> >
>> > The gear is just what I remember them using in
>> > Bermuda so I might be
>> > wrong...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Andy Loukes
>> > Crew, GBR 1445 Pantomime Horse
>> > http://gbr.i14.org
>> > I14 Webmaster
>> > http://www.i14.org
>> >
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