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From: Dorazio, Daen (Daen.Dorazio@industry.gov.au)
Date: Tue 05 Feb 2002 - 04:24:00 GMT
(My apologies if this gets off-topic) It has been very interesting to see
the civilised debate about foils/rudders etc in the I14s. I'm also an
outsider, with a keen interest in the class.
I'd like to point out that those comments about the Moth by "wildcard" are
incorrect. The Moth rigged with a windsurfer sail was not the champion but
finished well down the fleet. The foiled boat finished about tenth, and
noone has used foils in a major regatta since then. It may be worth
commenting that the last 3 Moth worlds have been won by the same design.
The Moth class doesn't prohibit buying sails from windsurfer shops, it
prohibits rigs that can be moved through more than one axis, and are not
sheeted to the hull (ie windsurfer style). That is the illegality.
I don't think it's very constructive or appropriate for non-I14 sailors to
make waves on this list so I'll go bak to "lurking" now. Just wanted to set
those points (on Moths) straight
-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Geddes [mailto:vibes@chariot.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 1:33 PM
To: wildcard
Cc: 14list
Subject: [I14] Re: *
<p>Bieker does charge a royalty for T foils of $100 of his design...if you
dont use his foils then they may not be as fast.....then you can spend a lot
trying different options.
The big issue is both cost and ease of handling. There will be plenty of
tail enders who will not be bothered using a T foil...so will be left
further behind.
We are trying to get new sailors in the class....I am sure T foils will not
help when they see there complexity ( and additional cost).
Who cares if we are not as fast as a 49er...we dont race against them
anyway.
The number one priority of the class should be to attract as many new
members as possible
----- Original Message -----
From: wildcard <wildcard@hyperchat.com>
To: <vibes@chariot.net.au>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: *
<p>> Andy,
> I'm an outsider.. just a few points I would care to comment
> on..
> Firstly the champion Moth in the Perth worlds.. The same series
> where Brett Burvill sailed with his foils.. Had a windsurfer
> rig.. A windsurfer mast (as were most of the Moth sticks), Neil
> Pryde (if memory serves me) main (bought from a windsurfer shop
> off th shelf) and a standard wishbone boom.. The sheeting was
> end boom and rig was racked more than the standard moth rig...
> Unwieldy yes due to the end boom sheeting.. If its not a "windsurfer
> rig" what is it? Where is the illegality?
> As for the Aussies arguments... It been very amusing watching
> grown(?) men using emotional blackmail to state their cases..
>
> *laughing*.. I'm the king of the pile and if I don't get my
> way I'm taking bat and ball home"..
> Wonder if this was the same line used to hold back the I14s
> when the Au 14 became the benchmark for 14 foot speed machines..
> Will be interesting to see if anyone comes out with a lightweight
> 14 foot foiled boat..
>
> Since the hull becomes less of limiting factor I wonder if "a
> past world champion" is more concerned with another skipper in
> an old Benedict 2 with foils being as quick as his new B3a on
> foils..
>
> Another slippery slope arguement he used was "royalty".. As
> he should know the royalty can only apply to foils made from
> Beikers design. Not from other configs.. Other wise he would
> be paying royalty for every cabinet he makes..
>
> Personally I think the I14 platform is poor platform for foils..
> Its been very amusing reading the list
>
>
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